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sandys
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So its launch day today and quite a few reviews have dropped, of the few I have read the doesn't clearly seem to be a reason for anyone with Vista to make the jump as many of its features are the same or will be rolled out as updates. The one exception I can see is in the Media Centre domain and that's actually one I am now interested in, having secured a copy of Windows 7 for my netbook and used Linux in the mean time I am quite happy to remain in the Linux domain for this and Win7 won't do any better than Linux really for this task apart from some simpler networking. It seems the new media centre properly supports HD formats and GPU offloading, hopefully meaning I can probably do Bluray playback without buying PowerDVD  and from what I can read it will now support 4 tuners for PVR duties per standard rather than just 2 in the old one  I currently have 3 DVBT tuners and will likely add a couple of DVB-S2 seeing as I have the satellite connections left over from my Sky days. I have not yet seen any good articles on use of Win7 MC yet though so if you see any point them my way, my media centre is currently running on XP but the company that provided the tuners went bust and no longer updates the software, software is usable but I have to switch to hacked betas to get things working and back again each time the channel line up changes, bit of a faff, I could be tempted to use Win7 for this purpose. My hardware also doesn't like disconnections of sound when working Via HDMI running the same hardware via Win7 with BDA drivers will likely solve this issue as its basically Vista and Vista was a lot better with regards to driver handling than XP.
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| 22 Oct 2009, 13:24 |
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golgo13
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Joined: 20 Feb 2004, 14:04 Posts: 1024 Location: Bristol
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Vista is working fine for me so there is no need for me to upgrade and at the end of the day its just an OS who's new features I probably won't be using.
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| 23 Oct 2009, 11:09 |
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sandys
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Indeed I can't see a reason to switch Vista to Win7, XP is another matter though. I wonder if the new Media centre with be provided as an update to Vista, would be good as I can then test it.
I would like my media PC to be more remote friendly particularly for using all the web based on-demand stuff.
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| 23 Oct 2009, 11:26 |
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sandys
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The arsTechnica review has provided me the most clear cut answer to Win7 vs vista and its much as I suspected. http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/review ... review.arsQuote: The big question is, does Windows 7 put right what Vista did wrong? Are the things that caused so much bad press for Vista—high system requirements, low performance, and poor compatibility—still a concern in 7?
The answer is... kinda. Let's take the easy ones first. Windows 7's disk footprint is smaller, and, with WDDM 1.1, its memory usage is lower. It's not a huge amount smaller, and you're still not going to want to run Windows 7 on machines with less than 1 GB RAM, but the new OS is a little more svelte than its predecessor.
This svelteness appears to have had little impact on performance, though. Benchmarks indicate that 7 and Vista are pretty similar. But the benchmarks also show that they're pretty similar to Windows XP too, after all. Performance isn't the problem it was thought to be anyway.
Compatibility is an altogether more complicated issue. Microsoft knew that compatibility was a problem in Vista, and sought to improve the situation with 7. To that end, Windows 7 does... well... almost nothing, actually, to make things fundamentally "better." Windows 7 is basically the same as Vista; its drivers are substantially the same, so its hardware compatibility is substantially the same; likewise, its software compatibility is nigh on identical to Vista's. For the most part, anything that worked in Vista will continue to work in Windows 7; anything that didn't work then probably won't work now. snip........ Quote: If you felt Vista was too big and too slow, well, 7 isn't going to provide much joy there, either. Marginal improvements, perhaps, but nothing more. Everything "bad" about Vista—and I use the word in the loosest possible sense, because the things that garnered most complaints have negligible legitimacy—is still "bad" in 7.
Does this make Windows 7 a bad operating system? Not in the least bit. Windows Vista, for all its (alleged) flaws, was the best version of Windows ever shipped. The underlying changes it made were essential to the longevity of the Windows platform, and user features like the searchable Start menu remain an absolute joy that make XP look clunky and ancient in comparison. Windows 7 is even better than Vista, so XP holdouts should upgrade with confidence. Windows 7 is a great OS.
For existing Vista users, the upgrade decision is a bit less clear-cut. Personally, I think it is worthwhile; I like the new taskbar, and that, in conjunction with the many small improvements like Resource Monitor, justifies the upgrade to me. If I were a heavy Media Center user stuck with the RTM Media Center, it would also be something of a no-brainer. But everyone else will have to weigh the pros and cons for themselves. Due to Microsoft's decision to backport D3D11 and related technology to Vista, you don't lose that much by not upgrading.
Overall, it's pretty clear that Windows 7 is "Vista R2." Hell, the branding of the server counterpart is a dead giveaway here. Windows Server 2008 RTM was exactly Vista SP1; Windows Server 2008 R2 is exactly Windows 7. Why does one retain its branding but not the other? Because the Windows Server 2008 branding is popular and successful (the OS was, quite rightly, very well-received) in a way that the Vista branding is not. If Vista had gotten the reception it actually deserved, and become a brand worth keeping, it seems highly likely that the name would have been retained. And Microsoft knows it, which is why internally, Windows 7 is only version 6.1. Not missing much it seems, some ui tweaks but its Vista re-branded, sounds like the media centre is good though, but apparently I can add the functionality to Vista with the TV pack, I did not know this.
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| 26 Oct 2009, 19:25 |
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sandys
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Joined: 20 Feb 2004, 15:29 Posts: 4309 Location: Bristol
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Having just done the ubuntu upgrade which didn't take I thought I'd pop win7 on the notebook and test it out whilst waiting for the inevitable ubuntu updates to sort out my new found instability.
So install went pretty smoothly and found most of my hardware, only been on 30 mins so can't really comment too much but initial impressions are that its quicker than my ubuntu install (which had dodgt gpu drivers, no doubt what is causing instability issues on the upgrade) and a lot better than XP was on this hardware, so looking good, bit of lag in the UI now and again but on the current reboot Aero was disabled so it might be fine now.
Can't seem to get decent performance from my touchpad, its a bit inaccurate currently, will try asus web drivers.
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| 09 Nov 2009, 23:25 |
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BIGRED
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Joined: 17 Mar 2004, 15:27 Posts: 1233 Location: Bristol
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Am I right in saying if I bought Windows 7 home edition family pack, my dad could use of the licenses?
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| 16 Nov 2009, 13:04 |
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sandys
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Sounds like it, I'd still be wary of it, its not much improved over vista so requires a bit of resource, my netbook bogged down after a couple of days of use, dropped another Gb of RAM into it and it seems fine now, so depending on what your dad is running you might want to take that into consideration.
Otherwise its quite nice. Multitouch is useful on the netbook at least, lots of pages don't fit the res well.
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| 16 Nov 2009, 13:23 |
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BIGRED
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What's multitouch?
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| 16 Nov 2009, 13:30 |
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sandys
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Its a feature highly advertised on the iPhone, thought you would of heard of it, basically to zoom in you use two fingers going from inner to outer edge on the touchpad effectively like you are stretching the page, to make it smaller/zoom out you pinch your fingers together on the touchpad.
To be honest I am not sure if this is win 7 or my firefox add in as I was doing in in Linux too as its native there also, I think its added with Win7 though, don't recall having it on Xp though nor on my Vista laptop but that doesn't use firefox as its Sharyns and she uses IE.
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| 16 Nov 2009, 13:46 |
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sandys
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Seems the multi touch thing is firefox as my XP media centre is now doing it too.
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| 19 Nov 2009, 20:41 |
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sandys
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So I'm a month into Win7 usage and can say its not bad at all, its far from perfect but what isn't. It hasn't been the netbook savior I was hoping for, I even upped the RAM to try and help it out but whilst somethings are quicker than Linux with respect to scrolling speed etc ( I couldn't get decent drivers for my GPU on Ubuntu ) mostly everything else runs better in Linux, Web browsing, flash, documentation, so it goes I gave it a bash. It also has a very annoying habbit of loosing wifi connection its done this on both my atheros wifi card and and Intel card on 2 different laptops and despite me checking the power save and auto disconnect options it doesn't seem to go away  On the same router and hardware XP/Vista and Linux have been trouble free. Annoyingly a feature I use on Vista is backup across the network, this is stripped from 7 Home Premium and only available on Pro, though to ne fair I have Vista Ultimate it might not be in Vista Home Premium. Can't really see any advantage of 7 over Vista at all really, personally I'll be going back to Linux, even though its a bitch to set up it ultimately makes my piece of shit hardware more tolerable. I am even going to try Sharyn on it, in theory she shouldn't care, she uses thunderbird and openoffice now on windows so she'd just be loosing IE but FF is better IMO anyway so I reckon she'll like it even if she doesn't understand it, time will tell though. As for 7, I shall ultimately move my mediaPC on that when we finally get some decent free to air HD, which could be years away at which point 8 will be out and 7 no doubt refined into a slick bit of software its trying to be.
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| 02 Dec 2009, 19:13 |
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sandys
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sandys wrote: As for 7, I shall ultimately move my mediaPC on that when we finally get some decent free to air HD, which could be years away at which point 8 will be out and 7 no doubt refined into a slick bit of software its trying to be. Seems Freeview HD is launching in April, well I never, I could be doing that upgrade sooner than I thought Freeview HD Report
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| 03 Dec 2009, 21:07 |
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sandys
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sandys wrote: The one exception I can see is in the Media Centre domain and that's actually one I am now interested in, having secured a copy of Windows 7 for my netbook and used Linux in the mean time I am quite happy to remain in the Linux domain for this and Win7 won't do any better than Linux really for this task apart from some simpler networking. It seems the new media centre properly supports HD formats and GPU offloading, hopefully meaning I can probably do Bluray playback without buying PowerDVD  and from what I can read it will now support 4 tuners for PVR duties per standard rather than just 2 in the old one  I currently have 3 DVBT tuners and will likely add a couple of DVB-S2 seeing as I have the satellite connections left over from my Sky days. I have not yet seen any good articles on use of Win7 MC yet though so if you see any point them my way, my media centre is currently running on XP but the company that provided the tuners went bust and no longer updates the software, software is usable but I have to switch to hacked betas to get things working and back again each time the channel line up changes, bit of a faff, I could be tempted to use Win7 for this purpose. My hardware also doesn't like disconnections of sound when working Via HDMI running the same hardware via Win7 with BDA drivers will likely solve this issue as its basically Vista and Vista was a lot better with regards to driver handling than XP. Been having more trouble with my PVR software so decided to take a leap of faith and try Win7 MC, its not been on long enough to comment too much but initial impressions are pretty good, it picked up my 3 PC tuners with ease, something not all software has been able to do, primarily because of driver support. Takes an absolute age to scan channels, but it found them all eventually, the Electronic Programme guide comes down from the web and is missing detail from the odd channel at the moment but that's likely due to the channel switch around that recently happened (caused me issues with the old setup) GUI is pretty easy to use even though I don't have a Windows Media Centre remote. It can seem a bit sluggish at times perhaps Win7 just needs more CPU/GPU grunt than I have, I am running a dual core X2 3600 with 2Gb of RAM on a Radeon HD 3200 but its acceptable, it may even be down to the fact that I am using BDA drivers for the tuners that were written in 05 before the company went out of business, of course they would never have seen Vista/Win 7 so I am probably lucky it even works. I could always bung in an energy efficient Quad core I suppose, the 4 cores plus clock speed bump from 1.9 -> 2.5Ghz should probably help, might not impact my leccy bills much either, I'll see how it goes. Course using Win7 MC does mean my tuners loose flexibility in that I can no longer record more than 3 things simultaneously but there are features in Win7 MC that might mean I don't need to, for example being able to differentiate between repeat and new programs on a series link so it doesn't record every repetition of dancing on ice/x factor or whatever shite the missus watches that seems to be on every day numerous times, course I don't know how well that feature works yet but time will tell.
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| 18 Jan 2010, 15:21 |
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sandys
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Well unfortunately Win7 hasn't worked for me, though for now I'm not laying the blame at Win7 MC, it actually looks pretty cool, very customizable, you can link in all the internet on demand stuff from the main channels like iplayer, 4od, skyplayer etc. You can also link in many Internet sites, if I get this working right this could become all you ever need. Unfortunately my tuners appear to crashing during recordings  so I am going to have to bite the bullet and buy some new hardware, this is a pain in the arse as standards for both satellite and freeview are changing so whatever I buy now will likely become obsolete in a year or so but hey ho. Picked up a Pinnacle 7010ix which has dual DVB-S (freesat HD) and dual DVB-T (freeview) on one card giving me 4 tuners and a full spread of channels, this tuner was apparently used by MS to test the TV MCE stuff out so its compatibility should be assured. we will see how it goes I guess, I hope it works, i'd rather not go down the standalone dedicated box as I like Internet TV and most don't do that as well as a HTPC can.
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| 20 Jan 2010, 09:59 |
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sandys
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Well got the tuner card, can't seem to get it to work, dunno if its because it was off of some one from ebay and dodgy or Win7, don't have much time to dick around with it.
So jury is still out on Win7 Media Centre though it does look very good.
I've gone and bought a Freeview recorder for now, bit of a bummer as I've got all the hardware and was quite happy with the IPTV side of things and Bluray playback etc, I'll look to re-instate the machine in the future.
Hoped I could get by with PlayTV alone but need two tuners and also ran into a limitation with it, seems you can only schedule about 20 things before it won't record record any more.
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| 29 Jan 2010, 15:26 |
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